J3 - sorry but a gay lifestyle is not "normal". But hey, it's a free country right? States are somewhat independent and if the people of a state want a law to prohibit same sex couples from adopting or being foster parents, so be it. I for one agree with the movement. We can agree to disagree, right?

Pop

By  Anonymous, at 4/21/2005 4:53 AM  

I'm with Little Holz on this one. There are a billion people out there who should never be allowed to pass on their genes let alone raise a child in their own image. No one says a single thing about those mistakes of humanity. In fact, many of them procreate on more than one occasion. Instead, we should make it illegal for someone to experience the joys of parenthood just because they are attracted to the same sex? Sounds like bullcrap to me.

If you don't mind me asking, Big Holz, would you object to someone who participates in anal or oral straight sex raising a child?

By  Stan, at 4/21/2005 5:26 AM  

I don't think they are objecting on the grounds that the kid would grow up gay. (Though he certainly would not grow up prejudiced about gay people, however that's a whole other issue)

They are more concerned with the propagation of what they currently consider to be "normal".

If gay couples were raising kids who grew up tolerant of the gay lifestyle, then who'd vote in all the anti-gay legislation?

It would be the thin end of the wedge... the end of civilisation as we know it.. hoardes of barbarians at the gates... etc. and sundry panicky phrases.

By  Manchild, at 4/21/2005 7:37 AM  

Man :Your honour, I am seeking a divorce.

Judge :On what grounds?

Man :Well, there's two homos in Texas that are banging the arses of of each other every night.

Judge :Well, unless *you* are one of those homos, I don't see what bearing that has on your marriage.

Man :But your honour, I have reason to believe they might travel to a more tolerant state and get married.

Judge :Well why didn't you say so? Clearly, the threat they posed to your marriage has been realised. You poor man. You may have your divorce.

Bailiff :So how many divorces does that make for Mr. Smith? 6?

Man :No, only 5. One was an anullment, on account of I didn't realise she was a he.

By  Manchild, at 4/21/2005 7:48 AM  

"States are somewhat independent and if the people of a state want a law to prohibit same sex couples from adopting or being foster parents, so be it"

Looking back on my kneejerk reaction, I actually realized this is a state issue... doesn't mean I have to like it. Will be interesting to see this make it up to the Supreme Court in some fashion in the future, because it just doesn't seem as if discrimination when safety isn't a concern is constitutional.

"If you don't mind me asking, Big Holz, would you object to someone who participates in anal or oral straight sex raising a child?"

And it's all because of this little blog that my father is asked this question. Too funny.

By  Holz, at 4/21/2005 10:19 AM  

Stan - "If you don't mind me asking, Big Holz, would you object to someone who participates in anal or oral straight sex raising a child?"

Nope. It's an opposite sex thing NOT same sex thing with me. Did that answer your question?

By  Anonymous, at 4/21/2005 11:22 AM  

"And it's all because of this little blog that my father is asked this question. Too funny."

I think I'm missing something.

By  Stan, at 4/21/2005 11:22 AM  

"Nope. It's an opposite sex thing NOT same sex thing with me. Did that answer your question?"

I guess, but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree as well. I just can't find the logic in that.

By  Stan, at 4/21/2005 11:26 AM  

Manda, Stan and J3(aka Little Holz...now that's funny!) - Looks like we'll agree to disagree on this one, huh?

Just something to consider..."most" baby boomers(me) and older grew up in a time where homosexual relationships as well as interracial relationships were looked upon with distain. That being said, you know that one of my best friends is black(Ken) and married a white woman(Pat). They have a daughter. It doesn't mean I like it and I still don't feel it's right but I'm ok with that relationship. Now, if Ken had married or was is a relationship with another man and wanted to adopt a child...I'm pretty sure I'd be against that. Some things you can change, some things you can't. Just my ignorance and prejudice I guess. I'm done on this topic.

Dad / Pop aka Big Holz(that's funny too!)

By  Anonymous, at 4/22/2005 4:30 AM  

I just want to clarify that I wasn't meaning to be disrespectful with my question since apparently I shouldn't have asked that. Looking back, I guess my post was a little abrasive. Sorry guys.

By  Stan, at 4/22/2005 5:04 AM  

in a time where homosexual relationships as well as interracial relationships were looked upon with distain

And that's the whole reason I look at all this gay bashing with fear. While it was common to have those prejudices historically, many (and obviously not all of them) of them have begun to wash away, and the newest generations accept it easily.

So it scares me when the government takes a preemptive step to automatically take rights away from a group of people who are finally, finally beginning to be accepted as normal, as natural.

And just think, it'll be great for Hollywood. An interracial couple produced Halle Berry... imagine the thespian produced raised by two gay men :-)

By  Holz, at 4/22/2005 8:56 AM  

Stan, I didn't find it abrasive, I just found it hilarious, as well as approrpiate. A Supreme COurt justice (was is Scalia?) was just asked at speech whether or not he performed sodomy with his wife... his answer? That was personal and was none of their business.

By  Holz, at 4/22/2005 8:57 AM  

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